I need some others to weigh in on this topic please and give me your opinion. I recently had a debate with a friend about men going with out shirts in their own home. I have no problem with men hanging out without their shirts on when they are in their own home or at a park or some such. I can see at certain events it would not be appropriate, but definitely just hanging out in their own home they can choose to go without a shirt at their leisure whether there are other family members or children present or not.
He says at anytime for a man to go shirtless shows aggressiveness and anti-social behavior. This all came about because the older brother of my significant other came over while my significant other was lounging on the couch without his shirt watching tv with the kids in the room (g14, b12, g11). The brother started to lecture him about "go put a shirt on" and how " inappropriate it was". Saying that my S.O. was making the kids uncomfortable. We asked the kids if they were uncomfortable with it now or have ever been. They said no and looked at me like I was nuts for asking. My son routinely goes without a shirt as well when he is at home. Thats when the brother went into the whole shirtless = aggression and such. We promptly told him, in his house he may do as he pleases and we will do as we please in our own home raising our kids the way we want them to be raised. That includes being comfortable with their own bodies and others as well. And we want them to feel they are free to be themselves and live anyway they want to in their own home.
Then he went off on how disgusting it was and such and acted as if I was a defective parent for letting my children be around it. I grew up with a father that worked construction for many years and was a farmer as were several of my relatives. More than half my childhood memories are of the guys working shirtless outside. Or coming in the house after a hot day and relaxing with out their shirts. When we went to town or shopping they wore shirts no problem, but at home it was however they were comfortable around their family.
So what are your thoughts on this matter. I need some opinions. Shirts or Shirtless? Does going shirtless signal aggression or anti-social behavior in your home or outside of it? Btw my S.O. is anything but disgusting with his shirt off. He was in the military for 8 years and it very well built.
He says at anytime for a man to go shirtless shows aggressiveness and anti-social behavior. This all came about because the older brother of my significant other came over while my significant other was lounging on the couch without his shirt watching tv with the kids in the room (g14, b12, g11). The brother started to lecture him about "go put a shirt on" and how " inappropriate it was". Saying that my S.O. was making the kids uncomfortable. We asked the kids if they were uncomfortable with it now or have ever been. They said no and looked at me like I was nuts for asking. My son routinely goes without a shirt as well when he is at home. Thats when the brother went into the whole shirtless = aggression and such. We promptly told him, in his house he may do as he pleases and we will do as we please in our own home raising our kids the way we want them to be raised. That includes being comfortable with their own bodies and others as well. And we want them to feel they are free to be themselves and live anyway they want to in their own home.
Then he went off on how disgusting it was and such and acted as if I was a defective parent for letting my children be around it. I grew up with a father that worked construction for many years and was a farmer as were several of my relatives. More than half my childhood memories are of the guys working shirtless outside. Or coming in the house after a hot day and relaxing with out their shirts. When we went to town or shopping they wore shirts no problem, but at home it was however they were comfortable around their family.
So what are your thoughts on this matter. I need some opinions. Shirts or Shirtless? Does going shirtless signal aggression or anti-social behavior in your home or outside of it? Btw my S.O. is anything but disgusting with his shirt off. He was in the military for 8 years and it very well built.
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Re: I want your opinion. Does a man going without a shirt = aggressiveness?
Mon, February 18, 2008 - 6:55 AMFor my two cents worth (if inflation effects everything else shouldn't this be worth more by now?) I don't believe that being shirtless equates with aggression.
I think that your significant other's brother is overreacting. That perchance he has had a poor experience in his own life with children and shirtlessness, but that doesn't mean that everyone is aggressive when shirtless.
Now to be perfectly fair and honest, I have no children and no problem with social nudity. So, maybe my opinion should be tempered with that knowledge.
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Re: I want your opinion. Does a man going without a shirt = aggressiveness?
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 1:13 AMThat really sounds like something out of left field. Where did he get that one from?
I could kind of see how wearing a "wife beater" tank top undershirt around the house might be seen as aggressive - after all, that's why those shirts have that name - but shirtless doesn't connote anything like that to me.
Personally I'm usually nude around the house. But we don't have kids so the dynamic there is a bit different.
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Re: I want your opinion. Does a man going without a shirt = aggressiveness?
Tue, February 19, 2008 - 10:54 AMI think the whole thing is ridiculous. Shirtless does not = aggression. If it's his house, the people are not casual acquaintances or distant friends and the kids are not bothered by it then I don't see a problem. On the other hand is not necessarily the politest behavior in the world but other that it sounds like there is something else happening on a deeper psychological level.
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Re: I want your opinion. Does a man going without a shirt = aggressiveness?
Mon, February 25, 2008 - 10:11 AM
I think the brother is uncomfortable, but its normal in your household. Going without a shirt isn't aggressive, sexual or anything else. It means what the person doing the behavior means... in this case I am guessing comfort?
Its silly to need to change your habits to have family in the home. Its one thing when guests are over and you are conforming to more social norms... but family is supposed to be able to accept and respect who you are. And friendships that surpass a certain level of intimacy also achieve that level.
I would tell the brother, you may dictate in your household. Please do not dictate in mine. Thanks, Arti